PF: Again, we’re talking about the future ephemeralist, right? Who actually is someone who would be like, “Oh my God, they were using this technology.” We’ve been talking about things like, “they interviewed George Saunders,” and that was an interesting interview. We’re talking about the textual artifact there.

 

It’s kind of tied into the fact that Saunders is now a very famous writer, MacArthur Award winner, like just a really big deal. So people are reflecting and responding to that, but when I’m talking about going to the desert island and having my big cabinet of advertising, what’s interesting to me is knowing kids at Brown in twenty-oh-six, twenty-oh-seven… 2008.

 

RD: I think it was ’08.

 

PF: Kids at Brown in 2008, this was how they roped together a little magazine. And not “little magazine” in the classic sense of “little” magazine, like not patronizing, but they wanted to produce a very specific kind of literary text. They were doing it in relationship to all these other things that were going on, that tended to involve more commercial, larger CMSs. They chose Drupal, which was rough at that point.

 

RD: They actually migrated to Drupal.

 

PF: They did?

 

RD: My understanding is it started as something else.

 

PF: They just were generating pages.

 

RD: In HTML.

 

PF: Yeah. Regardless, for the future ephemeralist, all of that is interesting, because they might be coming in on different paths. They might not be coming in going like, “What was George Saunders up to?” Or, they might come in that way but actually be interested in content management or be interested in structure.