SA: Race is really wrapped up in that.

SJ: And misogyny too.

SA: And heteronormativity.

SJ: Absolutely.

SA: What about the internet and the literary establishment? Wag’s Revue has been around for six years, I’ve been paying attention to the intersection of the two for about that amount of time. You’ve also been paying attention to it for about that amount of time because you were doing stuff for The Rumpus, right?

SJ: Right.

SA: What have you watched change in the last half decade?

SJ: Oh my God everything. In some ways I feel I’m the fish in the water, as are you, right? This is just how we’ve grown up, with the technology, so in some ways it’s difficult to step away because I don’t always know when things were different.

But I think people have either been exhausted into, or have come to terms on their own with the internet. At one point it was a very chic thing to pretend to be repulsed by the internet. I think that is ending. Or changing. I see writers using the social web I think in really interesting ways. Don Share who I think breathes new life into Poetry magazine since he came on board there and he’s really taken to Twitter. Most of his tweets are retweets and sharing links. For me he’s like the New York Times of poetry, this trusted source I know I can go to to read about what’s happening in this world and of course great work. Or Rigoberto González will just tweet lines of poetry from the books that he’s reading.