Dan Savage talks a lot about that with maintaining a little bit of fairy tale-like mystery with your mate. And for me that’s very important; that’s why I just don’t think I could ever live with someone. Like, I can’t know everything about you, because I’m very easily disappointed and I strive for perfection. So, just as easily as I disappoint myself, others disappoint me. I also think we’re overanalyzing everything. What guys want is very simple and we’re spending all this time and money as women discussing it and they’re certainly not doing the same for us. So it’s like we need to stop wasting our time. [laughs]

TSF: Why did you decide to subtitle your podcast “The Anti-Slut Shaming Podcast” rather than just Guys We Fucked? Were you aware of a greater mission for it from the beginning?

KH: I think it’s the least bullshit way to spread the message of, “Hey, we have sexual appetites just like you and it’s cool so get over it.” I think humor and honesty and straightforwardness are the best way to change people’s minds about a topic and I think we’ve done that with the podcast to a certain extent. There’s just no bullshit. And, also, “Guys We Fucked” is such an abrasive, funny thing to hear. I think pairing it with “The Anti-Slut Shaming Podcast” makes for a more intricate and interesting message.

CF: Yeah, I think it was a way to be like, “Hey, we’re not just selling sex here.”

TSF: So, the subtitle came out after you’d already started the podcast…

CF: No, it was always that. “Guys We Fucked: The Anti-Slut Shaming Podcast.” We wanted to openly discuss sex and our own pasts and see how that influenced who we are today. What happened later was this kind of sexual crusade that had everything to do with the people that listened turning it into something more — because this was not by any means started as some sort of a mission. This was us being us just so people won’t be ashamed about themselves. And then it turned into a lot more.