KH: That was a good moment, but I never had that like: “Hand me a vibrator, Mom. I’m a woman, yeah!” That never happened. That would’ve been awesome if it did.

TSF: Was that the turning point for you, the threeway, because now you’ve come and done this thing where you’re talking openly about sex and very shameless? What do you think changed for you?

KH: One of the things that changed was that, after we started doing the podcast, people started writing to us. And it turns out that so many people are very insecure about their sexuality and feel bad about stuff that I never even felt bad about. So we kind of realized that people are hiding in these shells and feel horrible about the decisions they’re making when the decisions they’re making are not worth feeling bad about even a little bit. That kind of shocked me.

Like a girl giving a blow job in the woods to a guy she had a crush on in high school. Like, if you liked him, then okay, do it — it’s okay. It’s just people feeling guilty over the smallest things. So I think after hearing about how insecure a lot of other people are about their choices, it kind of made me angry — even though I was one of those people. I was like, this is ridiculous, we don’t have to feel insecure, all of this shame bullshit is completely made up and we’re buying into it. Why are we buying into it?